Holla Back
As she prepares to release her second solo CD, new mom Gwen Stefani talks about
the things that have influenced her music, her style -- and her yodeling
by Clark Collis
These are a few of Gwen Stefani's favorite things: The Sound of Music, The Sound
of Music, and, oh yes, The Sound of Music. ''I'm like a Trekkie, but for The
Sound of Music,'' says the No Doubt frontwoman and solo superstar. ''The first
time I ever went on stage, at a high school talent show, the dress that I wore
was the dress that Maria wears when she sings 'I Have Confidence.' The
drop-waist tweed dress. I had that dress. I made it.''
More than two decades on, the 37-year-old's enthusiasm for the classic Julie
Andrews musical remains undimmed. This morning, perched on a bench in the
basement of the Cuckoo nightclub in London, where her Entertainment Weekly cover
shoot is to take place, Stefani is thrilled to sing a few lines from ''I Have
Confidence'' should anyone request it (or even if they don't). Further proof of
her fanaticism: Stefani's new single, ''Wind It Up,'' finds the singer mimicking
Andrews' yodel from the film's ''The Lonely Goatherd'' albeit over a rhythm
track provided by Pharrell Williams' production team, the Neptunes.
''I was threatening for a while to put The Sound of Music to a beat,'' Stefani
says. ''When I heard [''Wind It Up''] for the first time, I was in tears. I was,
like, That is the craziest s--- I've ever heard! It's bizarre how that movie has
followed my life.'' Indeed, their plots are similar: Naive and chatty but
well-meaning young Catholic girl who makes her own clothes! goes out into
the big wide world, where she survives assorted adventures and meets the man of
her dreams. Of course, in Stefani's case, the ''assorted adventures'' didn't
involve escaping from Nazis but selling 26 million albums worldwide with a globe-trotting
ska-pop band, then 7 million more with her 2004 solo debut,
Love.Angel.Music.Baby. And the ''man of her dreams'' is a British rocker (Bush
frontman Gavin Rossdale, 39, whom Stefani married in September 2002), not an
Austrian naval captain. But both stories do have a happy ending, as is evidenced
in Stefani's case by the 6-month-old bundle of joy named Kingston James McGregor
Rossdale, right now nestled in a Bugaboo across the room from his mommy.
All of which raises the question: Why does the cover of her new CD, The Sweet
Escape, find her dressed not as the heroine von Trapp, but in the style of
Michelle Pfeiffer's drugged-out gangster's moll, Elvira, from Brian De Palma's
blood-drenched 1983 classic, Scarface?
The answer to this conundrum is connected to the clean-living, gym-frequenting,
new-mommying Stefani's obvious delight in being ever-so-slightly naughty. (She
repeatedly uses the phrase ''coke whore'' to describe her newfound fashion muse
and does so with a mischievous smirk.) But, more specifically, the idea came
to the singer early last year while shooting the video for her single ''Cool''
in Lake Como, Italy. Also on hand: Tony Kanal, 36 No Doubt's bassist and, many
moons previously, a teenage Gwen Renee Stefani's first boyfriend and Kanal's
current steady, Erin Lokitch. ''She had on this long, peach, polyester dress,''
Stefani recalls. ''I was looking at her silhouette going, 'You look so hot.' It
was probably a late-'70s dress, and I started thinking about Michelle Pfeiffer
and how amazingly styled she was [in Scarface].''
Needless to say, it is something of a leap from the hills being alive with the
sound of music to the restroom stalls being filled with the sound of people
hoovering up Bolivian marching powder. ''Yeah, I know!'' Stefani says, laughing.
''I've never even done coke, so it's hilarious. Do you know how many times I've
said 'Let's look like a coke whore' in the last two months?''
We're guessing it's a lot. With The Sweet Escape due for release on Dec. 5,
Stefani who, with Rossdale, has houses in London and Los Angeles is in the
midst of a feverish, Atlantic-crisscrossing publicity tour. But album promotion
is hardly the only thing that has been occupying chunks of Stefani's diary. She
oversees two fashion lines, L.A.M.B. and Harajuku Lovers (which a L.A.M.B.
source says are on track this year to post a combined $90 million in retail
sales), and is preparing for an upcoming world tour, set to start this April. In
addition, there's the much-wanted Kingston to coo over and the much-unwanted
40-odd pounds of baby weight to remove from the Stefani frame. Judging by her
appearance today, the latter mission seems to have been accomplished already.
Or not. ''I have a little bit of, you know, skin or whatever,'' says Stefani,
lifting up her L.A.M.B. sweatsuit top to reveal a stomach that would be regarded
as close-to-flat in any but these most size-0-obsessed times. ''If I wasn't
having the record come out there's no way I would have lost the weight. A year
would have gone by [before] I'd be, like, 'Well, s---, maybe I should start
trying to get the weight off now!'''
Stefani has come a long way from her baby-fat days as a self-described ''lazy''
teen in Anaheim, Calif., who was fanatical about Sting and Madness singer Suggs.
''At high school I would think, All I want to do is eat and sleep. It wasn't
until I discovered that I could write songs... Because, when I discover things
that I'm good at, then I get really passionate and fiery and you can't slow me
down.''
Early last fall, Stefani learned that she was finally going to have her first
child and not even that could get her to ease up. The pregnancy was good news
for someone who, like a true Sound of Music fan, has frequently expressed her
desire for children. The bad news was that she was about to start her first solo
American tour.
''I'd be crying before I was going on,'' she recalls. ''I couldn't breathe,
because when you're pregnant, you get short of breath. So I'm trying to breathe
with the corset and the high heels and the nine costume changes. I was in pain.
I won't go into detail, but I had really bad stomachaches. What saved me was God
put these young girls in the front row; you could tell it was their first
concert and that they were looking at me as if I was Cinderella. They just
thought I was great.''
To hear Stefani tell it, she hadn't planned on releasing an official solo album
never mind spending the first half of her pregnancy traveling around the
country on a tour that, as far as she was concerned, couldn't end soon enough.
Following the last No Doubt tour in 2004, she thought about making a low-key
dance album, possibly to be released under the name ''GS.'' Her boss, chairman
of Interscope Geffen A&M Records Jimmy Iovine, talked her out of it.
''I saw the potential for what she could accomplish,'' Iovine says. ''You have
to remember, she's one of the last rock stars. This isn't a girl that was put
together in a dance studio. She's toured clubs for 10 years, no different from
the Clash. I thought she could make a mark on the culture.''
That mark was the Alpine-mountain-size smash ''Hollaback Girl.'' A late addition
to Love.Angel.Music.Baby., it was recorded after Stefani decided the CD lacked
a ''Don't f--- with me'' song. The result was a perfect, pounding meld of the
Neptunes' production wizardry and her feisty ska-rock chick persona, the first
single to sell 1 million digital downloads in the U.S. and the inspiration for
a number of, let's say, ''homages'' by other artists (think Fergie's ''London
Bridge''). In addition to making marching bands hip, Stefani's song ''connected
with the clubs and the urban centers,'' Iovine says. ''It was not unlike Debbie
Harry with 'Rapture.' With Gwen, the whole fashion thing comes through, so you
actually move that cultural needle of how young kids react, feel, dance.''
But not everyone warmed to Stefani's ''whole fashion thing'' in particular,
the showcasing of her admiration for Tokyo trendsetters via an entourage of four
Japanese women that she called the Harajuku Girls. The Girls silently
accompanied her on photo shoots and to public appearances, and subsequently
appeared on her tour. Stefani regarded the Girls, all of whom looked as if they
had come straight off the streets of the capital city's hip Harajuku district,
as a figment of her imagination brought to life in a culturally positive manner.
But last year, Korean-American comedian Margaret Cho publicly decried them as
''a minstrel show.''
''She didn't do her research!'' spits Stefani, who says she's been a fan of
Japan and its mix-and-match fashion sense since first visiting the country with
No Doubt in the mid-'90s. ''The truth is that I basically was saying how great
that culture is. It pisses me off that [Cho] would not do the research and then
talk out like that. It's just so embarrassing for her. The Harajuku Girls is an
art project. It's fun!'' (Cho told EW via e-mail, ''I absolutely agree! I didn't
do any research! I realize the Harajuku Girls rule!!! How embarrassing for me!!!
I was just jealous that I didn't get to be one⦠I dance really good!!!'')
Stefani continues: ''I was surprised how racist everybody was about them.
Especially when I came over here and they'd make all these jokes, like Jonathan
Ross.'' Ross, a British TV host, asked Stefani whether an ''imaginary hand job''
from one of her ''imaginary'' dancers would count as cheating on his wife.
Stefani responds, ''Everybody's making jokes about Japanese girls and the
stereotypes. I had no idea [I'd be] walking into that.''
The Harajuku Girls make an encore appearance in the ''Wind It Up'' video (as von
Trapp children, of course). Also returning to Stefani's side for the Sweet
Escape project are the Neptunes and Kanal, who helped Stefani pen her favorite
song on the record, ''Four in the Morning.''
After Kingston's May 26 birth, Stefani sought out new collaborators, including
rapper Akon, producer Sean Garrett (Beyoncι's B'Day), and Tim Oxley-Smith of the
British band Keane. The latter co-wrote a tortured and not un-Keane-like lament
called ''Early Winter.'' ''She likes to write from the heart,'' Oxley-Smith says.
''She's obviously quite an emotional person. Within 10 minutes of us sitting
down, she was crying. I played her a little bit of a thing that I'd been working
on just before she came in and she welled up about it.''
Though Stefani made her solo-career mark with the upbeat ''Hollaback Girl,'' it
was the melancholic 1996 ballad ''Don't Speak'' that took No Doubt from little
ska band to serious platinum recording act and made Stefani a celebrity. Their
first No. 1 single, ''Don't Speak,'' dealt directly with Stefani's tortured,
drawn-out breakup with Kanal. Stefani also got personal on the 2000 No Doubt
single ''Ex-Girlfriend,'' in which she references a brief separation from
Rossdale: ''I kinda always knew I'd end up your ex-girlfriend.'' Given all that,
it seems reasonable to ask how much fans should read into the heart-wrenching
lyrics to ''Early Winter,'' the chorus of which finds Stefani singing, ''And I always
was, always was, one for crying/ Always was the one for tears/ No, I never was,
never was one for lying/ You lied to me all these years.''
''The lyrics on this album are probably more autobiographical than the last,''
she concedes. ''A song like 'Wind It Up' isn't about anything. But there are
definitely a few relationship songs on there.''
But does Rossdale ever say, Look, if you put this on the album people are going
to be thinking, What's going on here?
''No, of course he doesn't,'' she replies before continuing, hesitantly. ''I
mean... I think it's like... It's vague enough that it's... And... To be honest,
everyone has the same problems. We all have the same problems. And there's
nothing to hide about that. I could have a problem with Gavin at some point in
our marriage. I've been with him for over 10 years. I'm not ashamed of it. It's
just, like, working through it. And songs are so good at helping you get through
things. I think it's a really good way to put things behind you and document it
and move forward. I'm not ever scared to share my situations with people.''
Back at the Cuckoo Club in London, around 20 people have arrived to help with,
or observe, the photo shoot. The star of the show, however, is sound asleep. We
refer, of course, not to Gwen Stefani but to baby Kingston, whose beatific,
slumbering, Gavin-favoring face is being inspected with utter devotion by
Stefani, her U.K.-visiting parents, and assorted Rossdale in-laws. (Gavin
himself is recording in Los Angeles.)
Stefani admits she too could do with a doze, having wrapped The Sweet Escape
just a week before. (In fact, following the shoot, she goes straight to her bed
and gets under the covers with Kingston.) ''I was literally doing vocals and
mastering and mixing all at one time'' in a race to make the release date, she
says. She swears that her fellow No Doubt members were happy about her decision
to record a second solo CD, despite the fact that the band hasn't released an
album of new material since 2001. At least they were happy when the plan was for
her CD to come out in 2005 and before she decided to embark on a full world
tour in 2007.
''I'm sure they were, like, bummed that I was going on tour,'' she says. ''But
everybody's busy. It's not like they're sitting around going, 'Where's Gwen?'
They all have their projects. I need to do the tour to complete my life journey
of this whole thing. I felt like I got ripped off on the last tour because I was
pregnant. Although I can't believe I'm going to do it, especially with Kingston.''
Speaking of whom, has Stefani thought about the possibility of a little brother
or sister for the nipper? After all, as every good Sound of Music fan knows,
there were no fewer than seven von Trapp children. ''I really want to have more,''
she says with a big smile. ''One solo record, two solo records. One baby, two
babies. I always want more of everything!''